Comment From
erock (R)
7.6506
Governor
Posted: Feb 19 2009 11:53 AM
Well even though we dont argee on some issues I have given you my vote today. Why? Well you debate the issues very well. best of luck.
this was in regards to the runoff on thursday.. like wow.. i'm a bit perturbed by this.. haha
Saturday, February 21, 2009
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
The Reprindicrat
I have lately have the misfortune of dealing with Erock, his debate style is that of a mental patient who wasn't given enough drugs. He attempts to randomly string quotes together to benefit himself, he doesn't ever stick to the real issue and just when things are getting interesting, and you may be getting through to him he decides to say.. "I am done with this debat you are not going to change my mind and I have said my last peace on this subject." he is a real piece of work, it's amazing the level of ignorance that hides behind arrogance. He even went as far as to practically say the draft caused the viet nam war. and that a draft is "slavery" obviously he wants people to fight for our country, just not him. I love people who sit back and complain and never take even a second to defend the freedom they hold and speak so highly of. It's this attitude that has set back the progressing of man kind. He is as lazy as a democrat.
This is further proof of the point I was just making... Look at some postings of my “dear friend” Erock..
*erock (R)
Posted: 2/7/2009 11:37:29 AM
Blu I am dealing with the larger issue of the draft which is just making us slaves to government. I have no problem letting anyone who wants to FREELY join the armed services. But being forced to join is something I oppose. And all this bill does is ensure that if a draft did happen more people would be forced to join.*
(this was in response to me writing.. “Erock, you somehow managed to miss the major point here, not that i am surprised, its not focused mainly on the draft, it's just an aspect of how men and women are not on equal playing fields. It's just an equality issue.”)
*Crusader@Heart (I)
Posted: 2/2/2009 9:43:01 PM
Erock, if you remember about 7 years ago two planes flew into a couple of buildings in New York. And guess what we have been a Nation at War ever since. But yet I don't see you in the ranks, am I right or wrong. Now what would happen if the commander in chief did not have any units at least 80% combat effective. I would be willing to bet that a draft would be ordered.*
(i got a great chuckle out of this one )
*Erock (R)
Posted: 2/3/2009 10:17:30 AM
1st off I did try several years ago to join the US Army however I have a medical defect that prevents me from joing so piss off Both of you. Also Arjay I would not mind paying taxes IF its to pay down the National Debt. Or have you missed where I have said that over and over? See I think leaving the next generation with about 11 trillion in debt and according to the economist magazine it could be up to 14 trillion in the next 4 years is even more Evil. Also Crusader I dont remember the US Congress Declaring war on anyone? Plus one could make the case that instead of nation building in Afghanistan which up to know is not working at all given the recent reports it would have been better to have used special ops against the enemy.*
(okay.. so here is where I go, yeah, what a cop out.. I can't even begin to explain how depressing this is to see.. he is a pussified moron)
from there i said..
*BluExtacy (R)
7.2218
School Board
Posted: 2/7/2009 1:09:18 PM
The idea that the draft makes us slaves to the government is rediculous on its face. In fact, anyone who takes such stands clearly has some sort of disconnect with reality. The draft exists to ensure that in time of war or similar national emergency that the armed forces has the manpower they need, where they need, to protect and serve the interest of the nation. Service, ever heard of that, of course that requires thinking about society and more than just oneself. Freedom is something you have to work for, it doesn't just happen with no effort. This is why there was a draft in the Civil War, the World Wars, and the first two decades of the Cold War. Oh, and by the way, drafted soliders are paid and discharged at the end of their tours or conflicts. Again not that I agree with a draft, I just happen to understand the need for it sometimes. You might want to actually read up on these things before you comment!*
then he responded in a message on my board.. not the original bill... with..
*erock (R)
7.6001
Governor
Posted: Feb 9 2009 11:13 AM
I think you are in fact disconnect from reality. In World War II after Pearl Harbor people lined up to FREELY join the US Armed forces, the Civil War at the start people volunteered to serve their nation. In fact the Draft during the Civil War lead to riots just as it did during Vietnam by those who disagreed with the War. How can a government talk about freedom when it is FORCING people to fight a war that they may not agree with? Lets take Iraq if their had been a draft I dare say that the protests in the street would be well sky high. The people are smart enough to know when the nation is in fact being threatened and they will volunteer to serve their nation. Forcing them to serve there nation is wrong. Being at the beck and call of the government is wrong. I as a free man should not be at the beck and call of the government. If the US is indeed attacked I would join up. Even after 9/11 their was a slight increase in people volunteering to join the US armed forces. That ended with the Iraq war. Though to say that the government can declare a national emergency and just start calling up people thats a lot of trust in the government. And the Vietnam war clearly showed that the Government can not be trusted with the draft. It is you who is disconnected with reality.*
then i said..
*BluExtacy (R)
7.2218
School Board
Posted Feb 10 2009 1:13 AM
Subject: Actually.. here..
There was a swell of volunteerism after Pearl Harbor, however it was not going there and when it was needed. Volunteering for military service was prohibited in 1943 because it was obstructing the flow of manpower necessary to effecively manage the war. Furthermore, the United States is the only democracy to retain the draft after the war because we're defending all the rest of them, remember the Cold War, obviously not. If you have the United States protecting you too, you don't need to pay as much for defense. Bob Taft supported the draft during the war, by the way. Furthermore, ramming a bunch of quotes together that say the same thing you do isn't making an argument. The simple fact is the draft exists so that when the course of war is chosen, or thrust upon us, that it can be prosecuted in the most effective means possible. It recognizes that the citizen has obligations to the country, just as the country has obligations to its citizens. Freedom is not free, and rights come with responsibilities. The freedom to the rights and liberties we enjoy comes with the responsibility of participation in the society and the defense of the republic when the country needs you. That is the only way freedom survives. That's not patriotic and thoughtful dissent, that's self-interestedness and dare I say selfishness in the light of all those who did go and served regardless of how they felt because they felt a higher duty to the nation.*
and it pretty much went on from there... for a long long time.. his grammar is atrocious, deplorable even, and he is the most moronic individual i have ever encountered!
This is further proof of the point I was just making... Look at some postings of my “dear friend” Erock..
*erock (R)
Posted: 2/7/2009 11:37:29 AM
Blu I am dealing with the larger issue of the draft which is just making us slaves to government. I have no problem letting anyone who wants to FREELY join the armed services. But being forced to join is something I oppose. And all this bill does is ensure that if a draft did happen more people would be forced to join.*
(this was in response to me writing.. “Erock, you somehow managed to miss the major point here, not that i am surprised, its not focused mainly on the draft, it's just an aspect of how men and women are not on equal playing fields. It's just an equality issue.”)
*Crusader@Heart (I)
Posted: 2/2/2009 9:43:01 PM
Erock, if you remember about 7 years ago two planes flew into a couple of buildings in New York. And guess what we have been a Nation at War ever since. But yet I don't see you in the ranks, am I right or wrong. Now what would happen if the commander in chief did not have any units at least 80% combat effective. I would be willing to bet that a draft would be ordered.*
(i got a great chuckle out of this one )
*Erock (R)
Posted: 2/3/2009 10:17:30 AM
1st off I did try several years ago to join the US Army however I have a medical defect that prevents me from joing so piss off Both of you. Also Arjay I would not mind paying taxes IF its to pay down the National Debt. Or have you missed where I have said that over and over? See I think leaving the next generation with about 11 trillion in debt and according to the economist magazine it could be up to 14 trillion in the next 4 years is even more Evil. Also Crusader I dont remember the US Congress Declaring war on anyone? Plus one could make the case that instead of nation building in Afghanistan which up to know is not working at all given the recent reports it would have been better to have used special ops against the enemy.*
(okay.. so here is where I go, yeah, what a cop out.. I can't even begin to explain how depressing this is to see.. he is a pussified moron)
from there i said..
*BluExtacy (R)
7.2218
School Board
Posted: 2/7/2009 1:09:18 PM
The idea that the draft makes us slaves to the government is rediculous on its face. In fact, anyone who takes such stands clearly has some sort of disconnect with reality. The draft exists to ensure that in time of war or similar national emergency that the armed forces has the manpower they need, where they need, to protect and serve the interest of the nation. Service, ever heard of that, of course that requires thinking about society and more than just oneself. Freedom is something you have to work for, it doesn't just happen with no effort. This is why there was a draft in the Civil War, the World Wars, and the first two decades of the Cold War. Oh, and by the way, drafted soliders are paid and discharged at the end of their tours or conflicts. Again not that I agree with a draft, I just happen to understand the need for it sometimes. You might want to actually read up on these things before you comment!*
then he responded in a message on my board.. not the original bill... with..
*erock (R)
7.6001
Governor
Posted: Feb 9 2009 11:13 AM
I think you are in fact disconnect from reality. In World War II after Pearl Harbor people lined up to FREELY join the US Armed forces, the Civil War at the start people volunteered to serve their nation. In fact the Draft during the Civil War lead to riots just as it did during Vietnam by those who disagreed with the War. How can a government talk about freedom when it is FORCING people to fight a war that they may not agree with? Lets take Iraq if their had been a draft I dare say that the protests in the street would be well sky high. The people are smart enough to know when the nation is in fact being threatened and they will volunteer to serve their nation. Forcing them to serve there nation is wrong. Being at the beck and call of the government is wrong. I as a free man should not be at the beck and call of the government. If the US is indeed attacked I would join up. Even after 9/11 their was a slight increase in people volunteering to join the US armed forces. That ended with the Iraq war. Though to say that the government can declare a national emergency and just start calling up people thats a lot of trust in the government. And the Vietnam war clearly showed that the Government can not be trusted with the draft. It is you who is disconnected with reality.*
then i said..
*BluExtacy (R)
7.2218
School Board
Posted Feb 10 2009 1:13 AM
Subject: Actually.. here..
There was a swell of volunteerism after Pearl Harbor, however it was not going there and when it was needed. Volunteering for military service was prohibited in 1943 because it was obstructing the flow of manpower necessary to effecively manage the war. Furthermore, the United States is the only democracy to retain the draft after the war because we're defending all the rest of them, remember the Cold War, obviously not. If you have the United States protecting you too, you don't need to pay as much for defense. Bob Taft supported the draft during the war, by the way. Furthermore, ramming a bunch of quotes together that say the same thing you do isn't making an argument. The simple fact is the draft exists so that when the course of war is chosen, or thrust upon us, that it can be prosecuted in the most effective means possible. It recognizes that the citizen has obligations to the country, just as the country has obligations to its citizens. Freedom is not free, and rights come with responsibilities. The freedom to the rights and liberties we enjoy comes with the responsibility of participation in the society and the defense of the republic when the country needs you. That is the only way freedom survives. That's not patriotic and thoughtful dissent, that's self-interestedness and dare I say selfishness in the light of all those who did go and served regardless of how they felt because they felt a higher duty to the nation.*
and it pretty much went on from there... for a long long time.. his grammar is atrocious, deplorable even, and he is the most moronic individual i have ever encountered!
The Communist
Yeah I HATE Arjay and if he accidentally gets run over by a run away lawn mower I would laugh at him.
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